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Slim Shady: Quick question next cycle going to cut. More cardio, Ultra clean diet,
500mg Test E 300mg Tren e

There is a UG lab blend Biogen
250mg Test E + 150mg Tren E per ml
was going to jab twice a week

Would this be as good as 100mg Test P and Tren 50-75 mg EOD
As everyone says test is test and tren is tren
Just wanted to know peoples opinions, answers and or experiences
cheers fellas

Responses:

Guru: from what you have on your list above, since i’m assuming that’s what you want to use. I would do Tren ace EOD, Test prop EOD and i would throw in some Masteron EOD. There are a few ways of building a cutting cyle.

Slim Shady: why short esters over long pinning less ………… not to botherd bout pinning less but curious to no why

Guru: The second word (propionate and enanthate) tell you what ester has been attched to the hormone. The esters have different weights and therefor, have different oil solubilities. This among other properties of different esters determine how long your body will take to get the hormone circulating and detatched from the ester. Long story short, its a word that tells you how often to inject, and how long to wait for PCT. If your cutting use prop it tends to keep the water weight to a minimum, if you arent worried about water weight and want to wait 4-5 weeks for test to kick in run cyp or enanth. Prop certainly has it’s places……if you are into running short cycles (up to 8 weeks) for instance you can’t beat the ester hope that helped started to ramble sorry lol

Slim Shady: dont apologize i ramble all day so in short there is no advantage or disadvantge in running either long or short esters so just down to personal preference and experiance. Do the doses seem adaquate.
500mg Test E and 300 mg Tren per week
this will be my second cycle
any need to front load on week 1 1000mg Test 600mg tren

Guru: Im assuming you are going with the Test/Tren enanthate. Than yes thats a good start. you can even throw in some Proviron. With that said it will come to your diet, because it could work against you. Also a lot of guys like the test prop because of less water retention. And no do not front load you dont need that much steroids for cutting.

Slim Shady: yeah i think so, easy blend, 2 jabs a week sorted. there is another blend which i cant understand the same as above but with 50 mg test prop aswell so
250mg TestE 150mg Tren E 50mg Test P ????? short ester ? cant understand why?
anyone shed any light ?

Noitall: I suggest to go with test e instead of prop cause you only have to inject once per week with it.
Take adex during your cycle and it will counter any water retention cause due to a rise in estrogen

Guru: they put the prop in so that it kick in faster while you are waiting about 4 weeks for the teste e to kick in.

Slim Shady: adex? is that an oral so the blend with test p in aswell would be better

Guru: adex is an AI here is some info on it.

Active Life: 48 hours
Drug Class: Aromatase inhibitor (Oral)
Average Dose: 0.25 – 1.0 mg/day
Acne: Yes
Water Retention: No
High Blood Pressure: May reduce bp when using aromatizable steroids
Liver Toxic: Yes
Decrease HPTA function: No

Arimidex seems to have somewhat become the holy grail of anti-estrogens. Due to its limited availability, high price and extreme effectiveness, its become a much desired product on the black market. The compound anastrozole is indeed a revolution in the treatment of breast cancers. It’s a new generation of aromatase blocker. Up until recently the main product for this purpose was the androgenic steroid Mesterolone (Proviron). But the problem here was that Proviron was not particularly strong and in the required doses of 50 to 100 mg per day, androgenic side-effects were not uncommon. Proviron is after all a DHT derivative. It could also never be used longer than the cycle lasted, because to some extent (despite readily being deactivated) it was suppressive of natural testosterone production. Anastrozole seems to do the job more efficiently. In clinical trials a single tab daily proved to have a profound effect. In steroid circles, mostly due to the high cost, experimentation with half and quarter tabs proved it to be almost unbelievably strong. So much, that really half a tab per day suffices for most users.

Anastrozole operates by blocking the aromatase enzyme, the primary enzyme for the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. A steroid that is altered by this enzyme is referred to as an aromatizing steroid, and such steroids can cause estrogen build-up. This has several potential side-effects such as water retention, fat gain and lets not forget gynocomastia (the growth of breast tissue in men). To prevent such effects anti-aromatase products can be used. Often times during a cycle most will want to allow for some estrogen, since it heavily promotes strength and gains as well (increases GH, upgrades the androgen receptor, improves glucose utilization). These people will generally opt for an estrogen receptor antagonist such as Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or Clomid (Clomiphene). These products do not stop the formation of estrogen, but stop the estrogen from exerting its effects by competitively taking up the receptors for this hormone. This allows them to stop any problems dead in their tracks, acting very fast, but upon discontinuation allowing for immediate influx of estrogen again as well. This has the benefit that they can be used as soon as problems arise, and discontinued when they subside, thereby only reducing estrogen-mediated gains for the time-span of the occurring problem (mostly gyno). Aromatase blockers like arimidex and proviron on the other hand are more useful for those seeking to eliminate estrogen from a cycle of aromatizable steroids all together. People who are willing to settle for slower gains, in an attempt to stay lean throughout, or for those who are truly sensitive to estrogen and do not want to take the risk of problems occurring. And arimidex is the clear weapon of choice here, at least to those who can afford it.

Things one needs to note while using arimidex is that the benefits of estrogen become non-existent as well. First of all that means gains can be drastically reduced. They will be leaner and more qualitative, but they will nonetheless be seriously reduced. A second problem is that estrogen seems to have a positive effect on cholesterol levels. Since estrogen is reduced, the use of arimidex may have a profound impact on HDL to LDL ratio’s in your cholesterol profile. In this aspect the use of Nolvadex is more user-friendly, because despite its anti-estrogenic effects in most tissues, it seems to exert positive estrogenic effects in the liver and promote a better cholesterol profile.

Lastly, the major problem with arimidex is the cost. I’ve seen people who were willing to fork over 250 dollars for a 28 tablet box of legit arimidex. That’s the price of fame. Of course these prices are rididculous, but most people don’t really know where to look. I’ve found the generic anastrozole tabs for as low as 2.2 dollars per tab, which is less than half the average street price. So it all comes down to shopping around a bit. Its not that anastrozole is that expensive to make, just that its patented. Which means that besides legit arimidex, all versions in existence are generics. This also means they could be slightly off on content or impure, if trustworthy at all. So be sure to check this with someone who has tried them or had them tested before buying a generic. The liquidex sells legit for not that much more, Around 3 to 4 bucks per gram and is generally a good buy as well, although content may be off. Since few will be investing in this to mess around with low doses and will generally opt to take 1 mg a day (1/4 cc), this shouldn’t be a problem. The anastrozole powder is a real buy at merely 2-3 dollars per mg, but obviously no one will ship that for less than 100 mg order.

As mentioned, arimidex is an ancillary that is supposed to be stacked with aromatizing steroids in order to stop all formation of estrogen. Its seemingly very potent, so doses of 0.5 to 1 mg are enough. Some claim that 0.25 mg is enough, but for anyone doing any sort of serious cycle, I would not advise less than 0.5. These steroids are, without exception testosterone, nandrolone, norethandrolone, boldenone and methandrostenolone. And all of their derivatives as well. The drug oxymetholone (anadrol) has estrogenic effects as well, but they seem to be the result of oxymetholone’s acidic A-ring activating the estrogen receptor by itself, rather than by conversion to estrogen. So Nolvadex would be more advisable in that case. To understand the whole story, I refer you to my profile on Anadrol. Although it does block gains, aromatase blockers are generally used for the extent or a certain duration on a cycle, whereas receptor antagonists are used mostly to solve problems. Because it takes some time for an aromatase blocker to take effect (even when aromatase is blocked, there is still a level of circulating estrogen) and again some time to bring estrogen back upon discontinuation (new estrogen needs to be made again), acute problems are best solved with Nolvadex or clomid. When an aromatase blocker is used, Arimidex is the best choice by far. Proviron may be more apt when using with testosterone, due to its other characteristics and positive benefits on testosterone, but for all other intents and purpose arimidex should be preferred in these instances.

Acne: No
Water Retention: None
Liver Toxic: Yes dosage dependent
Decreases HPTA function: Increases it.
Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor (sometimes called an AI). It is usually provided in 1MG tabs or in liquid form. The drug works in a non-steroid form by inhibiting the aromatase enzyme which convertstestosterone and other androgens into estrogen. This means that there is less estrogen tocause female pattern fat deposits, gyno, and water retention. In medicine, Arimidex isutilized to treat prostate cancer. In sports chemistry, the drug has been employed as ameans of preventing excessive estrogenic side effects during AAS use and to aid increating a harder appearing musculature for competitive bodybuilders. Unlike Nolvadex,which simply block estrogen receptor-sites, this drug prevents or reduces estrogenproduction. Though some estrogen presence is noted as necessary for AAS to reach fulleffectiveness, too much can cause a layer of fat, water retention, and breast tissue growthpotentially with tumors called gynecomastia or bitch tits. Arimidex has a 75-85%aromatization inhibition rate.
Males who experienced excessive aromatization of AAS or who were extremelyestrogen sensitive usually utilized a dosage of 0.5-3.0 mg daily. In fact, most realizedexcellent estrogen control with only 0.5mg/d (mg daily). Women usually showedexcellent lean appearances (even in their legs) with 0.5-1.0 mg daily. Arimidex has a veryshort active-life so 0.5 mg dosages were often taken 2-6 times daily at equal intervals.Stacking 10-30 mg of Nolvadex with 1.0 mg of Arimidex has resulted in a near “0″estrogen activity situation regardless of the AAS protocol utilized. Directly following anAAS cycle, estrogen control has also become a problem (during periods intended for reestablishingHPTA function). In this case, the dosage was reduced from a higher startingdosage to a low dosage that was continued for 7-14 days after AAS discontinuance. Thisprotocol was considered necessary to assure clearing of AAS induced estrogen build-up.